1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,120 This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting, 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,680 some strong language and deals with sexual abuse. 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,880 I really wanted to live in LA. 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 6 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,840 I wanted to find an agency to start modelling. 7 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,720 This is the building where the Ford agency is. 8 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,880 I think it was the eighth floor. 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,880 It's almost like I can see myself, like, outside of my body. 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,160 I've noticed I do that, though. 11 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:35,040 Like, if there's, like, some sort of trauma involved, 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,760 I really do, like, just detach. 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,560 APPLAUSE AND CHEERING Jared Leto. 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,680 He was standing... 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,760 ..to the left of those double doors. 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,680 My mom noticed him as we were going up the stairs. 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,840 I kind of saw him look over. 18 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,920 He hung up the phone and just, like, walked right in behind us. 19 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,840 He brought up that he had won a major award. 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,720 Does anybody want to try it out for size? 21 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,840 You can, if anybody wants to fondle. 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,240 SCATTERED LAUGHTER 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,440 Yeah, here. 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,840 He was like, "Oh, yeah, you're going to get signed. 25 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,280 "Definitely. You're so beautiful." 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,680 And he asked for my email 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,400 so he can invite me and my mom to his, like, Oscar party. 28 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,520 I bet this is a first - the first person to ever... 29 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,760 ..give their Oscar away for... 30 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,720 ..an orgy in the press room. 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:37,920 SCATTERED LAUGHTER 32 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,720 I was 16 at the time 33 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,440 and he was 42. 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,560 He did email me and then, very quickly, 35 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,880 it turns into this whole, like, sexual thing on the phone, 36 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,400 saying all these, like, things that you shouldn't say to a child. 37 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,360 Thank you very much and congratulations. 38 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,040 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 39 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,040 I was... I was 17. 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,480 17. 41 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,160 As a 14-year-old girl with a little... 42 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,480 ..with a little crush on him. 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,600 I was very excited to see Jared Leto. 44 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,840 I think that was the first time I ever met a celebrity. 45 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,560 "Oh, my God. Do you know who that is?! That's Jared Leto!" 46 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,000 PAPARAZZI CLAMOUR 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,000 He had invited me to his house. 48 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,440 Asked me to come meet him in his hotel. 49 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,480 "Jared Leto cordially invites you to a celebration." 50 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,920 Sending an invite out to a lot of models. 51 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:34,680 I ran to the autograph table. 52 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,880 You know, most young girls saw him very much as a heart-throb. 53 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:44,960 Wait, but... 54 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,480 ..this is problematic. 55 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,080 There's a whole population who don't know who he truly is. 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,280 You really just chose to take your power and abuse it. 57 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,840 Alarms started going off in my head. 58 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,520 "This is not what I came here for." 59 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,160 "By the time I get back, I would like your clothes to be off." 60 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,560 "It doesn't matter what your age is. 61 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,080 "It doesn't matter if you're underage." 62 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,240 And that's when I realised he was in his early 30s. 63 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,960 He was 34. 64 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,760 He was 42 at the time. 65 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,280 And then he just goes, 66 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,440 "If you're going to sleep here, 67 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,640 "you're going to wake up with a dick in your ass." 68 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,640 People are like, "What did you hope to accomplish with your book?" 69 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:36,960 Two things. I want to be proud of it and I want to not get sued. 70 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,000 Yeah. Touch and go there for a little while. 71 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,000 OK. 72 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,080 Mm-hm. 73 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,680 So, Jared Leto is an actor 74 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,000 at the very highest realms of the industry. 75 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,720 PAPARAZZI CLAMOUR 76 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,360 He won an Oscar for his role 77 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,240 in Dallas Buyers Club, 78 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,680 in which he played a trans woman. 79 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,320 And the Oscar goes to... 80 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,520 ..Jared Leto, Dallas Buyers Club. 81 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,200 CHEERING 82 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,560 That sealed his status 83 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,760 as a household name 84 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,600 and one of the power players in Hollywood. 85 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,480 He started out 86 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,200 as a very well-known TV actor 87 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,680 in My So-Called Life. 88 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,080 His role, Jordan Catalano, was... 89 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,080 ..the school dreamboat. 90 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,480 A generation of women - and, I think, some men - 91 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,040 were mesmerised by those blue eyes. 92 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,200 He's unique, in that he's not only 93 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,040 a high-profile actor, 94 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,080 he's also an entrepreneur. 95 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,800 And he's an investor. 96 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,760 Uber, Airbnb, Spotify, Reddit... 97 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,880 I've always been entrepreneurial 98 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,920 ever since I sold dope as a kid. INTERVIEWER CHUCKLES 99 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,480 Whoo! 100 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,160 He's associated with fashion houses, 101 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,600 and, also, he's a really 102 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,600 successful rock star, 103 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,640 with his band Thirty Seconds To Mars. 104 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,240 # Take no more 105 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,560 # Take no more... # 106 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,120 CHEERING 107 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,120 I think the first time I ever came across Jared Leto 108 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,200 was watching Requiem For A Dream 109 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,160 when I was a teenager. 110 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,400 I always thought you were the most beautiful girl I ever seen. 111 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:53,960 Really? 112 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,520 I thought he was incredible. 113 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,000 It was a film that definitely stayed with me. 114 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,200 Air Mail is a digital weekly based in New York. 115 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,080 It does a bit of everything. 116 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,520 True crime, 117 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,000 arts and culture. 118 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,560 I've also done investigative work. 119 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,640 I follow this DJ called Allie Teilz, on Instagram. 120 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,120 In April 2025, 121 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,040 she posted, on her Instagram, 122 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,560 a screenshot of a Facebook status 123 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,640 she'd posted originally in 2012. 124 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,160 She went on to say that she was underage, 125 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,600 she was 17 at the time, 126 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,200 and that he was aware of her age. 127 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:51,520 She has a big following. 128 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,200 She has over 100,000 followers. 129 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,080 She started getting a lot of responses 130 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,920 from women who'd had allegedly similar experiences with Jared, 131 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,040 which she was then posting. 132 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,400 I was refreshing her story every few hours, 133 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,960 and I was quite stunned by the wealth of responses that she got. 134 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,440 The experiences ranged from inappropriate behaviour 135 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,160 to assault. 136 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,680 It captured my attention and I started looking into the story. 137 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,800 My name is Jessica Sartenaer. 138 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,280 I'm a documentary producer and journalist. 139 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,800 I've been making documentaries for nearly ten years... 140 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,080 ..often looking into high-profile people. 141 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,000 We saw Allie's post and the reaction. 142 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,200 This is NOT something you see every day. 143 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,200 If all of this was true, 144 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,040 these were allegations on a massive scale, 145 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,160 about a very big player in Hollywood. 146 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,600 So, we immediately started investigating. 147 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,680 I spoke to some of the women who wrote in to Allie. 148 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,480 I managed to track them down. 149 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:35,920 I was putting down the phone 150 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,400 and I felt a little bit sick to my stomach. 151 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,960 Among the allegations, there was one woman, 152 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,360 she was 18 at the time. 153 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,760 She went over to his house and he got naked 154 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,000 and grabbed her hand and put it on his penis and said, 155 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,360 "I want you to spit on it." 156 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,720 I gathered all my research, 157 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,280 put together the story. 158 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:01,840 Ultimately, nine women contributed. 159 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,720 A lot of them were very scared, 160 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,320 which is why most of them requested anonymity. 161 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,440 We did send a right to reply to Leto and his team, 162 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,120 and they responded, 163 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,880 expressly denying every allegation. 164 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,280 The article went live. 165 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,840 It was pretty much picked up worldwide. 166 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,120 The Guardian, 167 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,120 Italian national newspaper Il Corriere della Sera. 168 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,840 Actor and musician Jared Leto 169 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,920 has been accused of sexual misconduct and predatory behaviour. 170 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,480 Allegedly... Allegedly likes very young girls, 171 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,920 teenage girls. 172 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,200 I saw it was reported that Disney was holding crisis talks. 173 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,680 Um, he was meant to be playing the lead in Tron: Ares. 174 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,840 I would like you to meet Ares, 175 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,880 the ultimate soldier. 176 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,720 I think the crisis talks were surrounding the marketing campaign. 177 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,200 It was a big deal. 178 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,640 And I really thought, you know, "This is going to... 179 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,960 "This is going to have some real-life repercussions for... 180 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,600 "..for Jared." 181 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,800 When the Air Mail article came out, 182 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,040 this was the first time that women had gone on the record, 183 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,640 alleging that they had been sexually abused by Leto. 184 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,840 We watched and waited to see what the consequences might be. 185 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,720 So, as the days went on... 186 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,360 ..I was typing in "Jared Leto allegations" 187 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,960 or just googling "Jared Leto". 188 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,120 I started seeing other news about him that was unrelated... 189 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,400 And I saw the articles surrounding the allegations 190 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,000 start to trickle off. 191 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,880 I thought, "Oh, wow." Like, "That's it." 192 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,000 I was... I guess I was disappointed. 193 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,720 I was disappointed 194 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,880 the world didn't take my victims' allegations seriously. 195 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,040 Within weeks, Leto started doing publicity for Tron: Ares... 196 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,360 We're in London and we're super excited. 197 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,200 It's been a great night so far. 198 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,560 ..culminating in an appearance on top of the Piccadilly Lights 199 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:11,560 as a promotional stunt for the film. 200 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,360 A really uncomfortable truth about Hollywood is that 201 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,200 there's now calculations being made 202 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,320 that this is not a career-ender. 203 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,240 I think that calculation got made with Jared Leto. 204 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,960 "We can quash it, we can ride it out, we can deflect it 205 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,360 "and, six months from now, or, you know, six minutes from now, 206 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,440 "another story will come down the pike 207 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,440 "and suck up all the oxygen in the room." 208 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,480 We were still working on our investigation in the background. 209 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,880 40 women had written into Allie. 210 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,800 Nine women had gone on the record with Air Mail. 211 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:55,960 So we were really asking ourselves, 212 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,240 how widespread was this... 213 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,640 ..and how long has it been going on for? 214 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,000 We started digging deeper... 215 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,800 ..and that's when we found Etta. 216 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,840 The first email, 217 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,120 he just sent an image of the invitation. 218 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,480 "Jared Leto cordially invites you to a celebration." 219 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,880 I said, "I thank you for the invite, but I couldn't make it, 220 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,080 "even though I'm sure it would have been fun." 221 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,320 And he responded, "Text me," 222 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,880 and gave me his number. 223 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,440 I didn't even consider how weird it was 224 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,080 to be invited by a 42-year-old man, at 16, to a party. 225 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,760 I know, for sure, if not then, 226 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,760 I did tell him a couple days later when we were texting. 227 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,320 We texted for a couple days and then... 228 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,040 Then, he would start mostly calling. 229 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,680 PHONE VIBRATES 230 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,400 He never would call me without making it a private number. 231 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,600 I think he did his best to make sure there was no proof. 232 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,560 Like, at first, it was, like, you know, 233 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:22,880 "Who did you sign with? 234 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,280 "Oh, how did it go?" 235 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,600 But it quickly moved into, um... 236 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,720 "Oh, well, you're a virgin. Do you have any kinks? 237 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,360 "Like, what are you interested in? 238 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,640 "Oh, can you squirt?" 239 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,320 Like, he seemed very interested in squirting. 240 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,960 He did, at least once, mention him and I having sex at some point. 241 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,360 Um, I remember feeling, like, nervous. 242 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,000 A little anxious, 243 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,640 a little uncomfortable, 244 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,920 but, like, at the time, I remember I had a really hard time, 245 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,400 like, saying "no" to things or, like, putting boundaries up. 246 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:10,320 He asked me if he could give my number to a friend of his. 247 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,360 I just remember him, you know, 248 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,480 telling me that it was, like, a business thing. 249 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,720 And I was like, "Yeah, sure. Whatever. That's fine." 250 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,000 This guy, he told me his name was Christian, 251 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,600 he would call me a lot. 252 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,680 He wanted to... 253 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,840 ..hire me to shoot porn. 254 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,800 And he was like, "You know, it doesn't matter if you're underage. 255 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,080 "We'll work it out. 256 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,000 "Like, you know, we'll get a really nice house in the hills. 257 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,680 "You know, we'll have, like, six guys in the shower, 258 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,160 "and have them, like, come all over you." 259 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,080 And because he would also call me from a private number, 260 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,720 I wouldn't know, sometimes, if it was going to be Jared or him. 261 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,960 They both were really obsessed 262 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,200 with mentioning the possibility of squirting. 263 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,360 Both of them, yeah. 264 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,240 I think it would not be that surprising 265 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,720 if that ended up being the truth, you know? 266 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,000 And how old are you? You. 267 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,280 17. Come here. 268 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,560 Come here. 269 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,960 Give me a hug, first of all. 270 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,400 CHEERING 271 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,280 LAUGHTER 272 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,440 OK, you can let go now. 273 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,080 What's your name? Kate. 274 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,720 Kate. Where are you from? 275 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,720 LA. You're from LA? 276 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,520 "That's what I like about high school girls." 277 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:22,960 LAUGHTER 278 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,880 "I keep getting older, they just stay the same age. 279 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,440 "All right, all right, all right. 280 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,600 "All right, all right, all right." 281 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,240 There have been allegations swirling around Leto for decades. 282 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,040 All the way back in 2005, 283 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,240 there was an article in the New York Post 284 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,240 alleging that Leto was approaching 285 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,400 teen and underage girls at a hotel in New York, 286 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,440 and texting them. 287 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,440 But what we were really surprised by 288 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,440 was just how many allegations actually exist online. 289 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,560 I counted around 120 allegations 290 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,120 relating to highly concerning behaviour 291 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:05,920 women said they had witnessed, 292 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,880 heard about or experienced themselves, 293 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,160 and some of these allegations dated right back to the early 2000s. 294 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,200 OK, well, down memory lane, right? 295 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,680 I have a few photos here of... 296 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,160 ..back in that day, when I was a little bit younger. 297 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,160 Oh, my gosh. You guys remember pictures?! 298 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,680 Everything's digital now. 299 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,640 There's no such thing. 300 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,200 OK. This is definitely high school. 301 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,640 I recognise my high school that I used to go to. 302 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,000 Oh, my gosh. This is probably right around... 303 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,400 Like, right around the time when I met him. 304 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,840 I look like such a baby. 305 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,080 Looking back on these pictures, it's... 306 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,720 ..it's so crazy to... 307 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,880 I mean, I look... Yeah, I look so young. 308 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,080 I've always been this, like, free spirit type of person. 309 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,760 And I still, actually, to this day, one of those 310 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,480 "act first, think second", you know? 311 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,360 Just try things and then, if it works out, great, 312 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:30,200 and if it doesn't, then now you know. 313 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,560 In 2002, when I was 17, 314 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,400 I had this job at Planet Hollywood 315 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,040 in Las Vegas. 316 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,920 I worked in the mall. 317 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,840 A group of guys came in. 318 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,760 One of them looked familiar. 319 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,800 So, I said, "Oh, you look familiar. 320 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,000 And he was like, "Well, what high school did you go to?" 321 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,120 And I said, "Oh, I went to..." You know, this high school. 322 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:58,480 And he was like, "Oh, no way. Me too." 323 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,520 His friends started laughing 324 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,920 and they were like, "He didn't go to your high school." 325 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,520 They were like, "He's famous. 326 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,680 "This is Jared Leto." 327 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,320 They're coughing. 328 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,680 "He has this movie coming out called Panic Room..." 329 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,560 Nobody's going to die, man! 330 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,920 Will you please have the balls to follow through with something? 331 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,680 "..and we're in Vegas cos we actually just started this band, 332 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,600 "called Thirty Seconds To Mars." 333 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,640 "Oh, cool." Like, "That's awesome. 334 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,080 "You know, you're famous." 335 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,960 I still didn't know who he was, right? 336 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,040 So you were saying, all last night, you missed it. 337 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,000 So I was just showing them around 338 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,720 and taking them through the store, 339 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,440 and it was just, you know, like a... 340 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,440 ..you know, like a fun, casual vibe. That's when Jared Leto was like, 341 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,000 "Hey, like, you seem really cool." 342 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,600 You know, "Can I get your phone number?" 343 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,240 Like, "Would you like to hang out later?" 344 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,160 "Yeah." You know, I'm like, "Oh, cool." 345 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,080 Like, he's a celebrity, right? I'm 17. 346 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,520 This is a happy fucking day. 347 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,720 I think that was the first time I ever met a celebrity. 348 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,440 And so I was going to meet up with him after work, 349 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,000 and he asked me to come meet him in his hotel. 350 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,440 It was really close to my work 351 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,680 and I pulled in, and it was this dingy motel. 352 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,560 I didn't think much of it. 353 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,560 I just was like, "Oh, he's still getting ready 354 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:11,880 "and we're going to meet up there 355 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,960 "and then we're going to go out afterwards." 356 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,960 So I knocked on the door, went in... 357 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,840 ..I sat on the bed and he was like, 358 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,800 "Hey, yeah, I'm just going to hop in the shower real quick. 359 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,160 "Do you mind waiting?" 360 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,360 And I was like, "No, of course not." Like, "Go finish getting ready." 361 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,600 Um... 362 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,320 Sorry. This is where it gets hard. 363 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,120 Oh, sorry. I've got to, like, get myself together. 364 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,840 I was sitting on the bed waiting for him to get ready and... 365 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,320 ..and he called me 366 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,600 and he was like, "Hey, like, come in here 367 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,520 "so we can talk while I'm, you know, in the shower." 368 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,240 And so I went into the bathroom. 369 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,000 I don't think there was many words exchanged. 370 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,800 And when he opened the shower curtain... 371 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,760 ..he started kissing me. 372 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,000 Uh, and then he grabbed my hand. 373 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,360 I don't even know how to say this part, 374 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:29,960 but he grabbed my hand and he... 375 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,160 ..I guess, started, like, touching himself with my hand - 376 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,280 like, using my hand to, I guess, masturbate himself with my hand. 377 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,680 Um... 378 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,560 ..and, um... 379 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,760 ..alarms started going off in my head, like, 380 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,160 "What are you doing here?" 381 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,120 Like, "This is not what you came here for." 382 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:51,800 And in that moment, I... 383 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,640 ..I definitely realised that I was not in a great situation. 384 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,800 You know, I'm alone in this room and... 385 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,320 Like, I didn't know what was going to happen, right? 386 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,600 I pulled away and I was like, "OK, I'm going to go." 387 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,880 He got out, put a towel on. 388 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,520 There's a weird thing that I-I always remembered. 389 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,240 He looked... He went outside and I remember he, like, 390 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,280 specifically, like, looked to the left and looked... 391 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,120 Almost, like, seeing if there was anybody around... 392 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,480 ..before he let me out of the room. 393 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,840 We didn't... We didn't have internet in our hands, right? 394 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,320 And I was at work. 395 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,080 I got off work. 396 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,600 I met up with him. 397 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,360 And so I didn't know anything about him till 398 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:54,520 after everything, when I went home, 399 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,000 and then I looked him up on... like, a computer, you know? 400 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,760 And that's when I realised he was in his early 30s. 401 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,160 You know, I'm in my 40s now... 402 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,480 ..and... 403 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,080 ..my whole life... 404 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:13,520 ..I had viewed this event as... 405 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,120 ..I was a stupid girl... 406 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:20,120 ..that did something stupid, did something dumb... 407 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,920 ..and so this bad thing happened. 408 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,520 But of course it did, because... 409 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,800 ..I did something dumb and so... 410 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,160 ..it's on me. 411 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,800 I don't think I ever, till recently, ever... 412 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,720 ..blamed him. 413 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,360 I always blamed me. 414 00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:59,680 In 2005, Thirty Seconds To Mars release an album 415 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,560 called A Beautiful Lie, 416 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,680 and on that album was a song called 417 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,280 The Kill, 418 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,680 which was incredibly popular... 419 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,600 # Come break me down 420 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,760 # Bury me, bury me 421 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,440 # I am finished with... 422 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:25,360 # You... # 423 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,760 # Look in my eyes 424 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,480 # You're... Killin' me, killin' me 425 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:40,000 # I am finished with you! # 426 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,440 ..and it really saw their entry into the mainstream. 427 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,440 How are you doing, New York City? 428 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,200 CHEERING 429 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,840 Suddenly, Leto had access to this huge, devoted fan base, 430 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,600 many of whom were young teenage girls. 431 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:13,520 As a teenager, I was very much so a punk, Goth kid. 432 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,800 I had coloured hair, I wore fishnets, 433 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,280 I wore black lipstick, I wore black nail polish. 434 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,960 The scene was so supportive. 435 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,640 It was just a sense of... like a community. 436 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,160 The first time I ever heard Thirty Seconds To Mars 437 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,960 was on the radio, and I was instantly hooked. 438 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,080 I was literally listening to The Kill on repeat. 439 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,840 I saw Thirty Seconds To Mars at the 99X X-Mas Ball. 440 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,920 My mom got me tickets. 441 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,960 The concert was absolutely amazing. 442 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,800 Oh, I was in heaven when I saw Jared Leto onstage. 443 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,640 As a 14-year-old girl with a little... 444 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,000 ..with a little crush on him. 445 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,040 So, Thirty Seconds To Mars gets offstage. 446 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,200 CHEERING 447 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,040 They were allowing people to get autographs and meet them. 448 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,040 I walked up to Jared Leto, 449 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,040 told him, "I'm a huge fan," 450 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,720 and I held my shirt out for him to sign, 451 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,880 hopefully on an arm or maybe on the belly 452 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:32,000 and, instead, he chose to sign my shirt across my breasts. 453 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,600 And he told me, "You have a nice rack." 454 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,880 And in that timeframe, 455 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,600 he asked his bodyguard to go ahead and take me backstage. 456 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,400 He didn't even ask me if I wanted to go backstage. 457 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,440 He literally looked at his security guard and said, 458 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,800 "Take her...take her back." 459 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,320 I was very short. 460 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,840 I had braces. 461 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,280 It was very obvious that I was a teenager. 462 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,320 My mother, who was standing next to me, 463 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,280 was like, "That's my daughter. 464 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,080 "She's fucking 14." 465 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,320 And he looked at her and said, 466 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,960 "It's still a nice rack." 467 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,680 We didn't get to stay and finish the concert. 468 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,320 My mom took me home. 469 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,520 This was not a pleasant experience 470 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,280 to have to go through. 471 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,760 You should not be touching my breasts in any way, shape or form. 472 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,640 I was 14, 473 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,200 and that was supposed to be a sense of community for me. 474 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,720 Things like that aren't supposed to happen at metal shows. 475 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,120 I'm going to cry. 476 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,240 Things like that aren't supposed to happen when you... 477 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,400 ..are supposed to be enjoying yourself. 478 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,440 Thank you. 479 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,800 It really altered my life in a real way. 480 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,600 I stopped going to concerts altogether. 481 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,880 I stopped listening to that kind of music. 482 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,400 I really felt like I had been taken advantage of. 483 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,480 What turns me on? 484 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,360 I would like to answer that by asking a question. 485 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,000 What doesn't turn me on? 486 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,320 We wanted to speak to insiders from the mid-2000s. 487 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,720 So, people who had spent time with Leto, 488 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,520 who had worked with him in the context of his band. 489 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,800 So, we contacted hundreds of people - 490 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,000 producers, crew members, tour staff, even bandmates... 491 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,760 ..and it was really, really hard getting people to talk to us. 492 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,960 A lot of them were scared to speak out. 493 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,560 Many had signed NDAs. 494 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,040 But then, eventually, we found Simon. 495 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,040 I think that's him. 496 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,680 Hi, Simon. Hi. 497 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,600 Jessica. Thank you so much for coming all this way. 498 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,320 OK, let me introduce you to... the lurkers over here. 499 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaking to me anonymously - 500 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,800 is that for fear of repercussions? 501 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,280 I don't want to be notable in this at all, but... 502 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,080 ..I do want to do my part. 503 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,040 Would I want to tell my daughter... 504 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,600 ..that I didn't stand up for what was right 505 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,280 when I got an opportunity to say something? 506 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,640 Let's talk about Thirty Seconds To Mars. 507 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,360 I worked with the band for about a decade. 508 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,960 Jared was generally very focused 509 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,720 and hard-working. Very demanding. 510 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,080 He had a clear vision of what he wanted. 511 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,880 During one period of time, 512 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,520 they'd set up their recording equipment in a spare room 513 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,280 in the house, with just a desk 514 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,280 and a few chairs, 515 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,080 a microphone, 516 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,080 a couple of packing blankets. 517 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,160 He would be texting with girls. 518 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,360 There would probably, typically on a given day, 519 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,000 be about two girls that might stop by. 520 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,600 It wasn't uncommon that he would go let them in, 521 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,560 sort of point to a chair for them to sit down, 522 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,840 and possibly ignore them for about 10, 15 minutes. 523 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,440 He might make a sort of rude remark. 524 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,920 Maybe it might be, "You're a dirty girl, aren't you?" 525 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,120 The feeling... 526 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,920 ..was he was trying to assert control, 527 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,960 trying to assert a sense of power. 528 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,600 There was one particular instance that I clearly remember, 529 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800 where a girl had to be dropped off by her parents. 530 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,680 This particular girl was very young-looking, and... 531 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,040 ..Jared would have been in his early 30s. 532 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,520 They took off to the bedroom. 533 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,440 When they returned, and she wanted a photo with him 534 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,120 and she tried to give him a kiss on the cheek, 535 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,640 he stopped her... 536 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,360 ..and wanted to make sure that the photo looked like 537 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,880 a sort of spontaneous platonic meeting. 538 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,880 At that point, she had to contact her parents to come pick her up. 539 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,080 Probably only an hour had gone by. 540 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,120 She just kind of sat there. 541 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,920 The feeling in the air, 542 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,040 it felt like shame and embarrassment. 543 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,640 I just remember being really moved by it. 544 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,680 So what did you think 545 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,560 when the allegations started to surface last year? 546 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,160 I remember reading the articles 547 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,480 and then coming across a video 548 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,320 that a young woman had made, speaking of her time with Jared. 549 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,520 I remember her reciting some of the things Jared would say to her. 550 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,400 There was no question about it, 551 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,760 she wasn't making it up. 552 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,640 This is his language. 553 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,680 Could you show me the video you're talking about? 554 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,040 ON VIDEO: I first met him when I had 555 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,160 just turned 17 and he was 33. 556 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,240 I met him after a Thirty Seconds To Mars concert. 557 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,520 He had started to move from just, like, flirting, 558 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,960 to saying things of a more sexual nature. 559 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,440 He literally started calling me Lolita, 560 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,040 telling me he was old enough to be my father. 561 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,840 He knew I was 17. 562 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,560 He...did various things, like kiss my neck, 563 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,680 touch my chest, take my hand, put it on top of his pants. 564 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,400 One time I was backstage with him, 565 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,520 he grabbed my face and made me promise 566 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,560 that I wasn't going to tell anyone. 567 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,800 Did those behaviours that she's describing feel familiar to you? 568 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,480 It's uncanny, the things she says about how he would behave with her. 569 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,240 It's upsetting. It's disturbing. 570 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,560 It completely brings back memories of what I witnessed. 571 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,240 His band was having a concert. 572 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,360 I was with another girl. 573 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,920 And we were backstage. 574 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,040 I was 17. 575 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,160 It wasn't actually Jared Leto who approached me. 576 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,760 He had sent an acquaintance of his, probably in his 40s. 577 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,880 He was a comedian. And he told me, you know, 578 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,640 "Jared's seen you from where he is over there, 579 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,320 "and he was interested in getting your number." 580 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,480 I didn't actually meet him at that venue at that time. 581 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,800 That would come later. 582 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,000 You know, most young girls saw him very much as a heart-throb. 583 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,640 You know, very handsome, great features. 584 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,440 Professionally, very good at what he did as an actor, as a singer. 585 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,920 He was a very magnetic person. 586 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,880 At that age, I had just been coming out of 587 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,920 a really awkward time in adolescence. 588 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,640 I had always been very, very shy. Painfully shy. 589 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,840 I'd blush a lot, I'd trip over my words. 590 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,640 It was very validating 591 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,480 that someone like him would be interested in me at all. 592 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,880 So, sometime after that concert, 593 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,400 there had been some text exchanges. 594 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,560 He had invited me to meet him at a place called the Chateau Marmont, 595 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,480 which is right there in the main area of Hollywood. 596 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,800 I had a friend with me at the time, so he said, 597 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,600 "Go ahead and bring her." 598 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,640 It's a very kind of secluded, upscale place where they cater to 599 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,840 a lot of A-list celebrities, 600 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,160 so it was intimidating at first going in there. 601 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,880 He was at a table with friends. 602 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,280 He kind of waved us over, we sat down, my friend and I, 603 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,680 and just having some general banter about things. 604 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,280 We had kind of drifted into the realm to talk about 605 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,880 the age of consent. 606 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,760 I had mentioned to him that my dad was in law enforcement, 607 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,640 that I knew with certainty that, here in California, 608 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,680 the age of consent is 18. 609 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,480 He just kind of shrugged it off like it wasn't a huge concern for him. 610 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,640 And he knew at that point that you were 17? 611 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,880 Oh, yes. He did know. Yeah. 612 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,280 So, after that, he had told me 613 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,600 that they were about to head back to his house. 614 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,480 So, we'd walked in the door 615 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,720 and I remember immediately, off to the side, 616 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:52,520 there were these two really distinct statues from the Clockwork Orange. 617 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,920 And he had them... They were two females, 618 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,360 and he had them arranged in, like, a very sexual position. 619 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,400 He had shown us where his bedroom was. 620 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,560 We had gone in, we were sitting on the bed with him. 621 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,040 And so, he suggested to my friend, 622 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,120 "You can wait in the computer room while her and I hang out." 623 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,240 That is when things had turned sexual, 624 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,840 when my friend was in the other room. 625 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,920 So there was probably, I would say, 626 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,320 about three or four times that I had been to his residence. 627 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,520 There was one time in particular where I had gone over, 628 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,320 I let him know that I was there. 629 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,480 He opened the door and he had told me 630 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,880 that he was in the middle of some sort of interview. 631 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,680 So he let me in the house... 632 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,680 ..I went down the hallway into his bedroom 633 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,880 and he had made a comment of, 634 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,880 "By the time I get back, I would like your clothes to be off." 635 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,360 So, he had gone out, finished the interview. 636 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,440 He'd come back in the room and he said, 637 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,400 when he noticed that I was undressed, 638 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,680 something to the effect of, "Brave little girl." 639 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,920 It was this theme that he kind of 640 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,880 stuck with, wanting to see me as a younger girl. 641 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,840 He told me, "I would like you to call me Daddy," 642 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,240 and it was either, "and pretend to be A little girl or MY little girl." 643 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,400 I had so little exposure to anything sexual, really, 644 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,880 at that time as a teenager. 645 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,920 Was this what, you know, is expected 646 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,440 when you're intimate with somebody older? 647 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,760 Is this what they say, is this what they do? 648 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,360 Just wondering if it was normal. 649 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,880 As time went on, I realised more and more 650 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,120 how scary that really was, 651 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,800 being that age and being so naive and vulnerable. 652 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,560 There is no well-adjusted man in his 30s... 653 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:41,080 ..who's going to look at a teenager and think, 654 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,040 you know, "Wow, she would be a great partner." 655 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,880 The only reason to approach somebody like that 656 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,280 is because of how easily manipulated they are. 657 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,600 Let's talk about the lyrics. 658 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,240 You can probably guess which lyrics I'm going 659 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,200 to pick out of Up In The Air. I'll be... 660 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,520 Oh, I don't know. Surprise me. 661 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,240 "I'll wrap my hands around your neck so tight 662 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:06,880 "with love, love, love." 663 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,160 Yeah. Quite erotic. Is it? 664 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,800 Um, tell us a little bit more... 665 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,760 It's funny that you would take it that way. 666 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,800 Well, tell us what the song's about, if that's not what it is. 667 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,200 Well, I think - what is it they say? - 668 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,960 um, everything is about sex 669 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,480 except for sex. 670 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,280 Sex is about power. 671 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,640 In the late 2000s, Jared actually took a break 672 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,440 from acting to focus on his band, Thirty Seconds To Mars. 673 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,200 They were really gaining a massive fanbase across Europe. 674 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,360 It's from this period that we noticed a lot of videos online 675 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,840 of Leto inviting young girls up onstage. 676 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,960 Oh, shit, that's so crazy. 677 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,600 # And the story goes... # 678 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,320 AUDIENCE SINGS 679 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,200 ON PHONE: Hello? Oh, hi, Brad. 680 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,760 It's Jessica from the BBC. How are you doing? 681 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,120 I'm good. How are you? I'm good. 682 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,680 Brad toured with Thirty Seconds To Mars around this time, 683 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,360 and he agreed to speak with me 684 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,240 about his experience of working with Leto. 685 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,080 At the time I was working for them, 686 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,800 they were a very big band, you know, 687 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,120 uh, headlining arenas in lots of different countries. 688 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,240 What was the atmosphere like on tour? 689 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,080 Very tense. 690 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,840 I've been on the road since I was a teenager 691 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,960 and Jared is one of the worst people 692 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,760 I've ever worked for, in any way, shape or form. 693 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,200 Nice to see you. 694 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,320 Give me a hug. It's been a long time. 695 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,560 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 696 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,920 Good to see your face. 697 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,200 We've met before. 698 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,680 Yeah, I remember, of course. How could I forget? 699 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,160 CROWD SCREAMS 700 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,280 How could I ever forget? 701 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,720 No. I'm joking, I'm joking. 702 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,360 Of course I remember you. You're beautiful. 703 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,040 Did anyone on the crew feel uncomfortable about 704 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,520 the way Jared was interacting with female fans? 705 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,480 No-one enjoyed watching that or being involved in that, 706 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,240 if he ever asked anyone to get 707 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,560 a phone number or anything like that. 708 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,960 I think everyone thought that the age gap was way too big. 709 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,200 And what sort of age range were these girls, do you think? 710 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,600 Teens. 711 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,600 Yeah, you with the pink hair. Come over here. With the pink hair. 712 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,000 Pink hair, pink hair, pink hair, pink hair. 713 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,720 Pink. Pink. Pink hair. 714 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,560 # Do-do-do, I 715 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,360 # Fell apart 716 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,040 # But got back up again, yeah... # 717 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,240 INAUDIBLE 718 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,360 Would he ever ask for any of the fans to be brought backstage? 719 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,280 I remember at least one or two incidents 720 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,240 of girls coming onstage for the final song 721 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:38,160 and...crew members being instructed to, 722 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,040 you know, grab those girls 723 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,640 and invite them to come backstage after the show. 724 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,920 And he would talk to them in his dressing room 725 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,560 and...I couldn't tell you what happened from there. 726 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,880 Was there anything else 727 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,000 crew members were asked to do that made them feel uncomfortable? 728 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,840 Uh, whenever they would play cities 729 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,760 that had a lot of modelling agencies, like Milan 730 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,760 or Berlin, Paris etc, 731 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,360 crew members were instructed to call up the modelling agencies 732 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,360 and offer free tickets for the female models. 733 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,600 They would give all of the models 734 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,600 VIP passes and they would have a room backstage for them. 735 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,720 I know that people involved in that 736 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,400 did not particularly enjoy having to do that, 737 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,040 because it was all... Well, I mean, 738 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,880 calling up a modelling agency and saying, "We only want 739 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,160 "your female models," is a little bit uncomfortable. 740 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,200 And who requested this? 741 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,240 That was direct from Jared. 742 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,280 I moved to London in 2013. 743 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,560 I went to Elite Models. 744 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,120 There was a manager from my agency 745 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,840 who told me that Thirty Seconds To Mars had put out 746 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,960 an invitation that we could go and see the show 747 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,720 and then there was also a VIP meet-up afterwards 748 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:12,400 that we could go to. 749 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,120 The concert was at the O2. 750 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,000 It was a good concert, I remember. 751 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,560 Somehow the assistant got to me and asked if I wanted to go 752 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,760 to an afterparty at Shoreditch House. 753 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,480 And I remember thinking to myself, "I've never been there. 754 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,600 "I want to go. I want to see what it is." 755 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,080 So we were eight people, mostly just women, and then Jared. 756 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,840 I remember going to the bathroom and when I came out, 757 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,920 he was standing, like, in the corridor. 758 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,280 He says something and it gets me to say, "Do you know how old I am?" 759 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,560 And then he...says, "No," 760 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,400 and then I lie and I say, "I'm 17." 761 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,960 At the time, I'm 19. 762 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,320 I just remember that I felt the need to say 763 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,240 that I'm younger than I am. 764 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,320 He said, "Age is just a number 765 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,960 "and, anyway, we're in Europe." 766 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,920 I remember speaking to the assistant, who was saying 767 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,200 that there was the next place to go to. 768 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,360 It was in a hotel. 769 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,760 I was a bit drunk and my phone was dying. 770 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,680 So I was saying, "But I don't know where it is. 771 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,480 "How am I going to get there?" 772 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,160 She kept, like, pushing and saying, "It's really easy. 773 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,680 "It's right over there." 774 00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:01,480 The assistant is a woman, so I trusted her. 775 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,560 I get into the hotel room. 776 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,680 It's really dark. 777 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,040 And then I see that it's just him. 778 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,240 "Weren't there supposed to be other people?" 779 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,640 And I think he just says, "No, it's just you and I." 780 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,080 Then I'm sat there and saying, "OK, well, my phone is dying, 781 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,560 "so I can't really get home from here." 782 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,160 So I ask him if he has a phone charger. 783 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,000 "No, I don't." 784 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,400 "OK. I also don't have any cash left. 785 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,720 "Could I get some cash to get a cab home?" 786 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,640 "No, I don't have any cash." 787 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,760 I was sat on a chaise longue kind of thing. 788 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,880 So I was kind of like, thinking to myself, "Could I just sleep here?" 789 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,440 I ask him, "Can I just sleep here, then?" 790 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,880 And then he just goes, 791 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,680 "If you're going to sleep here, 792 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,240 "you're going to wake up with a dick in your ass." 793 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,560 And I think I ask him, like, "What did you say?" 794 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,640 And he says this a few times. "If you're going to sleep here, 795 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,080 "you're going to wake up with a dick in your ass." 796 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,760 At that point, I was like, "I'm not safe here. 797 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,640 "OK, I need to get out." 798 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,760 I went to the bathroom first, 799 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,600 and then, from there, I was closer to the door. 800 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,960 When I got out of the hotel, I remember being really angry. 801 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,280 I was angry at myself for going into the hotel room. 802 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:04,680 I came home at, I think, six in the morning. 803 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,960 I texted my then best friend. 804 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,280 And she was saying, "He was threatening sexual assault. 805 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,440 "You should report him." 806 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,920 And in my head, I was like, "Nah. 807 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,240 "I put myself in that situation. 808 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,400 "He didn't touch me. It was probably a misunderstanding. 809 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,160 "I was probably the only one." 810 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,480 But I'm probably not the only one. 811 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,800 And it's probably been a lot worse. Yeah. 812 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,680 Do you feel like you were tricked into going to that hotel? 813 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,440 Throughout this whole night, 814 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,640 I told the assistant all the reasons 815 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,960 why I shouldn't go to the next place. 816 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,160 And every time that I had an excuse for not going, 817 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,480 I was getting nudged to go further. 818 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,520 The assistant knew what to say to lure me into his hotel room. 819 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,240 It seemed that it was planned out. 820 00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:12,280 "Never have I ever hooked up with a fan on tour." 821 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,200 Oh! Really? Yeah. Yeah. 822 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,800 CHEERING 823 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,000 How did staff feel about having 824 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,920 to procure women for Jared in this way? 825 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,720 BRAD: I don't think anyone liked being involved, 826 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:38,800 but it's also the kind of camp where I think everyone 827 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,120 is slightly fearful for their job 828 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,080 and you don't want to say no to anything. 829 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,760 He's not really someone you want to fuck with. 830 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,000 SIMON: He had a lot of people around 831 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,120 that just were constantly jumping through hoops 832 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,960 for him and doing anything he demanded. 833 00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:06,480 There's sort of a secret rule 834 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,000 that you don't talk about what the creative talent does in Hollywood. 835 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,560 There's a general sense of just turning a blind eye. 836 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,440 Not a single person spoke up. 837 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,880 There were not only just men of his age, but also women. 838 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,360 These dozens of people 839 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,960 who were travelling with him, touring with him. 840 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,840 Not a single one said anything 841 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:44,760 to myself about looking out for him or being concerned 842 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,320 about how young I looked hanging around him. 843 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,960 Nobody said anything. 844 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,480 An enormous part of everything 845 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,320 that we're talking about is money. 846 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,200 In Hollywood, in music, 847 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,120 there's a superstructure. 848 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,920 There's layers and layers of people around 849 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,800 the individual who are incentivised to say and do nothing - 850 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,920 assistants, manager, lawyer... 851 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,560 ..and an unfortunate reality with these kinds of stories is 852 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:25,120 that it is not uncommon for sources to be silenced. 853 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,360 Everyone has a vested interest in all of this going away. 854 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,800 Um, it's about two years after I met him, 855 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,040 I got a call from Jared. 856 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,400 From what I recall, 857 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,840 he said his lawyer was concerned about his relationships with women. 858 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,040 Uh, he kind of, like, chuckled, 859 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,760 laughed at that part and said that he... 860 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,800 ..uh, that his lawyer wants to have all the women in his life sign NDAs. 861 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,400 I mean, I didn't feel comfortable with it, like, right away, 862 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,320 but I was willing to, like, look at it. 863 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,200 It didn't just cover, like, present and future. 864 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,920 It covered things that I would have said in the past. 865 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,680 "Commencing on the date on which my association with you began, 866 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,280 "I hereby acknowledge and agree that a confidential 867 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,920 "relationship exists between you and me." 868 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,280 It didn't seem right being able to be held liable 869 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,680 for something that I had done previously, 870 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,840 before I even knew I wasn't allowed to speak about him. 871 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,720 It seemed like a really great way to get sued. 872 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,720 I never signed it. 873 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,760 I made an excuse the first time, and then just didn't respond after that. 874 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,400 How has it gotten this far 875 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,600 without this becoming a larger scandal? 876 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:07,200 People knew about it in Los Angeles and in Hollywood. 877 00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,200 Is it people just not wanting 878 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,680 to believe the allegations about him? 879 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,440 Is it because they believe what he's accused of isn't that bad? 880 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,520 Is it just because they've met him 881 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,080 and think he's charming and fun and cool? 882 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,840 Frankly, honestly, I don't get it. 883 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,360 Three women, after they spoke to me for my article, 884 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,480 asked me to retract their testimony 885 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,560 because they were pursuing legal action against him. 886 00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,240 I'm not sure what came of the legal action. 887 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:45,240 I know that there's been no kind of case in the public domain thus far. 888 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,560 It's been a year since the Air Mail article was published, 889 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,080 and since then, Leto has been in two major movies. 890 00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:00,240 Most recently, he played Skeletor in Masters Of The Universe. 891 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,160 Thirty Seconds To Mars have announced 892 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,520 that they're going on tour in 2027. 893 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,440 So we have no idea what the impact of our investigation 894 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,920 is going to be because, honestly, it seems Leto's career 895 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,760 has been unaffected by previous allegations. 896 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,080 Seeing him continue to do whatever he wants to do 897 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,160 and get accolades for it is pretty infuriating, 898 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,360 because he's left a trail 899 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,360 of emotional destruction for a lot of young women. 900 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,560 It makes me lose faith because, like, 901 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,360 why...why are you supporting a man like that? 902 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,600 How can you support a man like that? 903 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,080 So do you think he thought that he'd get away with it? 904 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,400 Well, he has. Right? He HAS gotten away with it. 905 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,600 This was 25 years ago. 906 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,840 Um...apparently he's been doing it. 907 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,200 Apparently people know about it. 908 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,560 So, by all means, I think he has gotten away with it.